MOSCOW, 1 July. /Corr. TASS Alexandra Ryzhkova/. A rally for the speedy closure of the Torbeevo landfill in the Lyubertsy city district of the Moscow region was held on Saturday in the adjacent Balashikha district, where the Kuchino solid waste landfill was closed on June 23 with wide public outcry, a TASS correspondent reports.

The rally was attended by residents of the Lyubertsy and Balashikha districts, who fear that after the closure of the Kuchinsky landfill, the environmental situation around the Torbeevsky landfill will deteriorate significantly. Citizens believe that it is here that the flow of waste from Kuchino, 80% formed by Moscow, will be redirected.

They demanded the closure of Torbeevo, the control of the progress of preliminary work and the forthcoming reclamation of the Kuchinskaya landfill. The activists also asked to resolutely introduce separate waste collection in the region and tighten control over the use of funds collected from companies operating landfills for the negative impact on the environment. In addition, the rally participants demanded the publication of the results of the investigation against the Zagotovitel company, which managed the Kuchinskaya dump.

Why are residents protesting?

"We are on strike against the Torbeevskaya dump. It is taller than a 10-story building. A chemical smell is constantly coming from it. It used to smell like burning," said Tatiana, a resident of the district. She noted that she does not want to move because the landfill ruins her family's life.

Explosive landfill gas from the Torbeevskaya landfill spreads along the ground and collects in the basements and wells of nearby houses, added another resident of the district, Natalia. In the Lyubertsy district, there were several cases of this gas explosion, for example, when a resident tried to light the basement with a lighter or matches, other participants in the rally confirmed.

“The packages don’t reach me. And those who live closer (to the Torbeevo landfill - TASS note) take them off the trees,” said Roman.

Some participants of the rally were satisfied with the current situation at Torbeevo, but feared that things would get worse. “About five years ago, we were choking on the smell from the Torbeevskaya landfill. Now it is gone, but it probably will be, since garbage will be brought here instead of Kuchino,” said Natalia, who was present at the event.

Residents of houses located near the closed Kuchino landfill believe that officials will fulfill their promises for reclamation on time only if the public constantly pressures and controls them. Therefore, they also took part in the rally, explained the interlocutor named Oleg.

“I would like to believe that the landfills after reclamation will become a park or a ski slope,” Leonid added, noting that this is of great importance to him.

All participants interviewed by a TASS correspondent learned about the rally from social networks or from posters and leaflets that were distributed in the settlements adjacent to the Kuchino and Torbeevo landfills. They came on their own initiative, only the posters were previously prepared by the organizers. In total, about 110 people were present at the event, according to the police who kept order. According to the organizers, there were more than 200 of them.

There were 245 signatures under the resolution, Vera Gorbunova, a member of the organizing committee of the event, told TASS. All of them were collected today, she stressed.

On the basis of the resolution, the activists will prepare and send an appeal to the country's leadership, summed up the head of the organizing committee, Yevgenia Vashchenko.

Earlier, TASS reported that the rally was approved by the administration of the city district of Balashikha.

Kuchinsky landfill

The landfill "Kuchino" in the Balashikha district received up to 600 thousand tons of garbage per year, of which up to 80% was imported from the capital. Residents of nearby homes have previously said the landfill has been "expanding" since around 2015. According to the Minister of Ecology of the Moscow Region Alexander Kogan, the landfill received part of the garbage according to "gray" schemes.

Residents of Balashikha complained about poor living conditions near the test site to Russian President Vladimir Putin during the Direct Line on June 15. On June 22, the head of state returned to this issue and demanded that the landfill be closed within a month. On the same day, the governor of the Moscow region, Andrei Vorobyov, ordered to stop the work of the landfill from June 23.

In the city of Balashikha near Moscow, where the Kuchino landfill was closed by order of Vladimir Putin, protests continue. Now local residents are fighting to eliminate the landfill in Torbeev, located in the neighboring Lyubertsy district. The protesters called for the gradual abandonment of waste disposal and the transition to separate waste collection with its subsequent processing.

The Governor of the Moscow Region, Andrey Vorobyov, met with the head of the Reutov urban district, Sergei Yurov, and suggested that he move to the post of head of Balashikha. Previously, former mayor Yevgeny Zhirkov voluntarily left this position amid the scandal surrounding the Kuchino landfill.

My guests: civil activists and residents of Balashikha Pavel Stepanets, Evgeny Vashchenko and Elena Gavrilova.

Leading Mumin Shakirov.

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Mumin Shakirov: In the city of Balashikha near Moscow, where the Kuchino landfill was closed by order of Vladimir Putin, protests continue. Now local residents are fighting to eliminate the landfill in Torbeevo, located in the neighboring Lyubertsy district. The protesters called for the gradual abandonment of waste disposal and the transition to separate waste collection with its subsequent processing.

My guests are civil activists and residents of Balashikha Pavel Stepanets, Yevgeny Vashchenko and Elena Gavrilova.

And what would you do if President Putin did not appear in this story? Elena got through to Putin and asked for help with the elimination of this landfill. Suppose this story would not exist, what would it be now?

Elena Gavrilova: Probably, we would continue to write letters to the prosecutor's office, the president, write to various authorities, to Rospotrebnadzor and receive regular replies.

Mumin Shakirov: Eugene, do you also think that history would have been frozen the way Elena says?

Evgeny Vashchenko: No, I don't think it would freeze. If they would invite television, they would raise this issue to the top, they would invite officials, well, the issue would be raised.

Mumin Shakirov: By the way, about officials. My guests are people who adhere to one position - everyone is against the dump. All were involved in environmental protection movements. We invited officials, representatives of executive power. They wrote letters to the Public Chamber of Balashikha, to the Ministry of Ecology and Nature Management to Mr. Kogan, but, unfortunately, no answer, no greetings. And the conversation with the secretary of the Public Chamber Larisa Ivanovna ended like this: “People in public work do not receive a salary. I can’t order anyone to come to your broadcast. And in general, I have people in my waiting room.” I remembered a situation from the Soviet past, when the saleswoman said: "There are many of you, but I'm here alone!"

I want to apologize to the listeners that we could not invite opponents to our guests. But anyway, I think our conversation will be interesting.

Putin at one of the meetings said that this dump should be closed in a month, at least he gave a month for the implementation of this decision. But Governor Andrey Vorobyov closed it literally the next day. At 6 am on June 23, the landfill was closed. Why such a hurry? He was so scared, right?

Pavel Stepanets: Well, Vorobyov should be asked why he did this.

Mumin Shakirov: The month to close the landfill is the time when the garbage flows are redirected. Such things are not done with a single movement of the hand. Millions of tons of garbage were collected within a month. And suddenly, one day. Do you have any explanation for this?

Evgeny Vashchenko: We, myself and the locals, have been writing for many years: "Please close this landfill. There is already nothing to breathe because of this stench." Maybe his conscience woke up - and that's what he did.

Mumin Shakirov: Well, as for conscience - it's very difficult.

As I understand it, the landfill in Kuchino, in Balashikha was closed, and the flow of garbage was redirected to the neighboring Lyubertsy district - to the Torbeevo landfill. Elena, you are a resident of the village of Torbeevo...

Elena Gavrilova: Residents of the village of Torbeevo took the brunt of the closure of the Kuchinsky landfill. When there was such a flow of cars that we could not even cross the road, naturally, we began not only to write, we began to beat the bells. The local authorities allegedly heard us, organized for us another trip to ENIT, which is engaged in the Torbeevo training ground. The local authorities assured us that no cars were coming from Kuchino, they promised to patrol with us. One day, together with us, traffic police officers stood at the entrance to the landfill. I was there for about an hour, before that there was an initiative group. And during the time that I was there, every third car turned around, because they did not have a contract.

Mumin Shakirov: But does the landfill in Torbeevo work? Are there cars coming?

Elena Gavrilova: Yes, it works, and the cars come.

Mumin Shakirov: That is, the flow increased, and you complained, right?

Elena Gavrilova: Yes. It should be noted that the traffic police checked the cars all day. After work, we approached this landfill and saw it all - a lot of cars were parked at the entrance to the landfill.

We were assured that the Torbeevsky landfill would exhaust its reserve by 2019, and the Torbeevsky landfill would be closed. But the initiative group talked with the management of the landfill, and there was information that the governor of the Moscow region extended the operation of the landfill until 2020.

Mumin Shakirov: And what is happening around? I was in Balashikha, and I understand what the stink from the landfill in Torbeevo is, because it is easy to feel. Do you have a terrible ecological disaster or is it tolerable so far?

Elena Gavrilova: Catastrophe! We wouldn't be screaming if it wasn't for the disaster. Well, it's better to see once than hear a hundred times...

Mumin Shakirov: Or sniff.

Elena Gavrilova: "VKontakte" created a group "Close MSW "Torbeevo". All the videos are posted there, when our wells are burning, when our houses are exploding.

Mumin Shakirov: Do houses explode from methane? This is the gas that the landfill emits.

Elena Gavrilova: Yes.

Mumin Shakirov: Does gas get into apartments?

Elena Gavrilova: We are in the private sector. Gas seeps into basements.

Mumin Shakirov: And ignites?

Elena Gavrilova: Yes, there was an explosion at a house in Torbeevo.

Mumin Shakirov: And people died?

Elena Gavrilova: People got hurt. And the woman died after that.

Mumin Shakirov: Can you smell methane?

Elena Gavrilova: Yes, there is a smell.

Mumin Shakirov: Pavel, why did the head of the Balashikha urban district, Evgeny Zhirkov, quickly leave his post? It seems that no one really "ran into" him. It's the same old problem.

Pavel Stepanets: You asked why the dump was closed so quickly. I can propose. The President and Vorobyov gave such an order, perhaps so that a wave of public indignation would reach the federal ministerial offices, and they began to seriously deal with this issue. Because the supervisory agencies must fulfill their obligations to control these dumps, but they have been silent for years, there was no feedback from anyone. Therefore, to bring the situation to the point of absurdity may be the only way out.

Mumin Shakirov: And when Andrei Vorobyov closed this landfill on the 23rd, did he see the picture of the day, of the week? Where will the garbage be taken - did he understand this? Or did he make the decision after he closed the barrier?

Pavel Stepanets: Power vertical works. If there was an order from above to close, I think he did not want to be in the place of Evgeny Ivanovich.

Mumin Shakirov: And why did Evgeny Ivanovich quickly leave his post?

Pavel Stepanets: This is a "execution" position - the mayor of Balashikha. And garbage was imported to Balashikha, including from Reutovo. I don't understand why he did it. And we expected great victories from him, and in general, he did a lot for the region. But his dependence on the federal authorities, on the authorities of the Moscow region makes him helpless in resolving these issues.

Mumin Shakirov: Now the governor of the Moscow region Andrei Vorobyov has appointed Sergey Yurov, the former head of the Reutov urban district, to the post of mayor of Balashikha. Balashikha is one of the largest urban centers in the Moscow region. In terms of area, potential, and human resources, it is larger than other regional centers of Russia. That is, it is the largest city - with a million inhabitants. What do you know about Sergei Yurov?

Pavel Stepanets: I understand that this decision was operational. Since this is the mayor of a neighboring city, he is very closely acquainted with all city issues. And maybe it was the right decision, because he knows the situation in this region well.

Mumin Shakirov: Elena, what do you expect from the new leadership? Or you, as a resident of the Lyubertsy region, this does not concern you?

Elena Gavrilova: The authorities of the Lyubertsy district and neighboring districts (we also have the Ramensky district and Balashikha) will somehow unite. We were at the hearings where the Land Use Rules were approved. In addition, everything was allowed at the Torbeevo test site, up to the disposal of radioactive waste, so the situation in our country is heating up more and more seriously. Plus, 100 hectares have been allocated for another landfill, which is located on the Pekhorka River. We have not yet completely killed her, we must finish it to the end. And people are struggling with it. On the 9th there will be a rally in Lyubertsy. Let's hope the authorities listen to us.

Mumin Shakirov: The President of Russia sometimes acts as a magician: sometimes he installs water pipes in some village, sometimes he makes officials pay compensation costs. That is, he is a "wizard of the live broadcast." And the solution of the problems of this landfill is the royal business, the presidential level?

Evgeny Vashchenko: No, the local authorities should solve all these issues.

Mumin Shakirov: That is, the local government, let's say, does not work well for the President of Russia?

Evgeny Vashchenko: Inefficient, as we have noticed.

Mumin Shakirov: At what level should this problem be solved - at the level of the mayor, the governor?

Evgeny Vashchenko: At the governor's level, most likely.

Mumin Shakirov: So he had to close this dump?

Evgeny Vashchenko: Of course.

Mumin Shakirov: Now the landfill is closed, and let's talk about reclamation. You spoke about this at the rally last Saturday. There are three methods of reclamation. First, take the waste somewhere far away and store it somewhere. Secondly, heat treatment, that is, burning garbage, which, of course, will emit all sorts of gases. And the third method is when soil, clay, is poured, as we saw at the dump on Saturday, when we drove up to the checkpoint. Each of these methods has its pros and cons. What method will be used for the reclamation of "Kuchino"?

Evgeny Vashchenko: Since soil is being brought there now, I hope that the landfill will be covered up, all gases will be removed from there, and all the leachate will be collected. And then, as they said, they will make a dome and everything else.

Elena Gavrilova: And a ski resort.

Mumin Shakirov: That is, 80 meters of "layer cake", stuffed with garbage that emits methane ...

Evgeny Vashchenko: There is a mountain on the Leonovskoye highway, although it is smaller in size, there was also a training ground there, it was filled up, it was overgrown, and in winter people ride there ...

Mumin Shakirov: You said in your speech at the rally that it would take years. And how much?

Evgeny Vashchenko: At least five years, I think.

Mumin Shakirov: At least five years to cover all this with soil?

Evgeny Vashchenko: Not only. You also need to pump out the gas from there, collect all the filtrate. The landfill settles over time.

Mumin Shakirov: You are taking part in a working group that is supposed to monitor the implementation of the instructions of the President of Russia. What are your responsibilities?

Evgeny Vashchenko: We look at how many cars drove to the landfill, the availability of land - maybe they are transporting garbage instead of land. This is our main task. As practice has shown, and there now people monitor the whole thing day and night, 40-50 cars stop by. At this rate, they will fill up the landfill, probably for a year. If you calculate the area of ​​the landfill, the area of ​​KamAZ ...

Mumin Shakirov: That is, this "layer cake" will be compacted by rain and snow, it must settle, and so on.

Just a couple of days ago I was in Kuchino at the checkpoint, it seemed to me that the landfills were guarded as a secret strategic object. That is, there is neither drive nor pass. Elena, do you have the same?

Elena Gavrilova: We have the same.

Mumin Shakirov: That is, no one can enter the territory of the landfill?

Elena Gavrilova: If you don't have a garbage truck behind you. If there is, then go.

Evgeny Vashchenko: I was in Torbeevo, I wanted to get to the training ground, to have a look. Everything is fenced there, there is a checkpoint. And you can easily get into Kuchino.

Mumin Shakirov: Now we will show you how we got to Kuchino ... or rather, we didn’t. Let's see the plot.

Pavel Stepanets: I was present at a meeting of the Public Chamber, and I was specifically told that the Ministry of Ecology approved us to be engaged in control and monitoring of what is happening here. That is, non-random people are here.

- For me, you are random people. I explain to you again, contact the administration of the city of Balashikha, Rosprirodnadzor ...

Pavel Stepanets: And this situation is constantly going around in a circle, that is, someone has to apply somewhere. In general, everything is very difficult. But it is already clear that nothing much has changed at this training ground in terms of organization and public access.

Can I speak to these guards? You won't mind? We will not go to the training ground, we will go to the guards and talk.

Gentlemen, we are back to you again. We would like to get to this range to shoot at least something there.

- No no!

Pavel Stepanets: And whose order is "no"?

We have leadership.

Pavel Stepanets: And what is the guide? Did the city administration put you in charge of this landfill? Or who?

"There's a guard here...

- Protects private property.

Pavel Stepanets: It's still private property, right?

- Yes. Here they will remove us, then - please.

Pavel Stepanets: I had a dialogue with you literally an hour ago: "You can drive by car, see what is happening here" - and so on.

- You can't see it here.

Pavel Stepanets: That is, the information changes along the way. As soon as the press arrives - immediately "don't let anyone in, don't let anyone out"?

Mumin Shakirov: Eugene, how did you manage to get to the landfill? We didn't succeed.

Evgeny Vashchenko: You entered from the main entrance...

Mumin Shakirov: Did you enter through the Spassky and Nikitsky gates?

Evgeny Vashchenko: I passed from the other side of the landfill. It is not fenced. Call in any KamAZ, any car, dump garbage - please.

Mumin Shakirov: Let's see the plot of what this dump looks like so everyone can see what kind of mountain it is, which we talk a lot about now.

Evgenia Tsvetkova: There are some certain food products in the landfill that rot, they release filtrate - this is a stinking, fetid, environmentally poisonous liquid. This leachate can penetrate into groundwater. That is, when the landfill becomes heavier, it periodically sags and penetrates into the groundwater - and catastrophically poisons the environment. Moreover, according to official data - and Rosprirodnadzor commented on this - this leachate flows into the Pekhorka River, and the Pekhorka River partially flows into the Moscow River. That is, this is not a problem of the Pavlino, Kuchino, Keramik, Fenino microdistricts. This is the problem of Moscow and the entire Moscow region.

Mumin Shakirov: Elena, you live near the existing dump "Torbeevo". You have the same charms. Here, people in the village have a piece of land, a garden, they grow vegetables and fruits. Can this be eaten?

Elena Gavrilova: Well, we're trying. We buy water. Moreover, we turned to our administration and to the Torbey dump: "Guys, you spoiled the water. Can you at least set a glass for us?" Fashionable "Keys of Health", when water is brought, and then they drink from there.

Mumin Shakirov: That is, you do not pump water out of the earth ...

Elena Gavrilova: No, we pump out, we have artesian wells, but we use them for technical purposes. This year we have enough rain, so we also have enough water.

Mumin Shakirov: That is, watering the beds is imported or rain water?

Elena Gavrilova: Most of it is rainy.

Mumin Shakirov: Pavel, you weren't allowed into the landfill. You promised on Monday to build bridges with the administration and get permission. Got?

Pavel Stepanets: The fact is that the feedback from the administration and these guards does not work well. Today we can watch what is happening in the landfill with a video camera. And there is no particular need to climb on a large pile of garbage. Therefore, the issue resolved itself. But disruption raises a number of questions.

You asked about the level at which these issues should be resolved. At the previous meeting, the Minister of Ecology Alexander Borisovich Kogan stated that a modern infrastructure for waste processing would be built, that we would buy these wonderful plants abroad, that everything would meet the standards. And my question is: if for many years we tried to call white black and black white, and the Prosecutor General's Office did not see violations, then how can we control the unique waste processing plants? I believe that the Ministry of Ecology is obliged not only to control this issue, but also to create a waste accounting system at all stages of processing. And only then will we find out the real figures for the amount of garbage. We are told about millions of tons. And these are "gray" numbers, no one really even knows them. These issues are covered in passing, but basically everyone is told how high-quality the plants will be.

I want to report that the level of technology that is advertised to us today is people sorting garbage with their hands on conveyors. And I have a big question: where are the technologies and where is the sorting of garbage by hand? They want to build this for us at sorting points? ..

The second question is particulate filters at these plants. How expensive is their operation? Where will we buy components for foreign factories? And won't it turn out the same way as when he was Minister Yakunin bought Sapsan trains from Siemens, and now we buy components in Germany. And what will happen to our industry? Why are the scientists who come to Suvorov Square today - beggars, humiliated, without work? Where is the fundamental science? Where is the long-term strategy of the state, for decades?

Mumin Shakirov: These questions, as I understand it, have not yet been answered.

We are talking about the Kuchino landfill, and I want to name a few figures. Rosprirodnadzor wrote in 2015 that the Kuchino landfill is capable of holding 1.7 million tons of garbage. According to experts, one person, on average, throws out half a ton of waste per year. That is, about 4 million Muscovites and residents of the Moscow region will throw out about as much garbage in a year. Territory - 50 hectares, about 70 football fields.

And after the dump was closed, what did you learn from this story that you didn't know before? Eugene, did you know who owns this landfill?

Evgeny Vashchenko: Nevertheless, it is written on the Internet - CJSC "Processor". 98 percent of the capital goes to the Seychelles.

Mumin Shakirov: That is the money that people pay in the form of taxes...

Evgeny Vashchenko: Unfortunately, most of the money went abroad.

Mumin Shakirov: When talking about the removal and recycling of garbage, the phrase "garbage mafia" is often mentioned. What do you mean by "garbage mafia"?

Evgeny Vashchenko: They also say "garbage kings". These are people who take money, they have accounts on the islands, abroad, they do not pay taxes from us, but withdraw all the money there.

Mumin Shakirov: How criminalized is this structure? Is this a structure that is associated with "thieves in law", with "authorities"? Or officials are called members of the "garbage mafia"?

Evgeny Vashchenko: Most likely, these are not officials. Some officials may be covering this case.

Pavel Stepanets: I think the connection is obvious. These issues should be monitored by supervisory authorities. If they do not control, then there is some "interest". And if they do not control for years, and it comes to the president, then the "interest" is very high. Maybe the Attorney General will give us answers to these questions.

Elena Gavrilova: You asked about the environment. All those examinations that were carried out at the Torbeevsky training ground are wonderful: wonderful water, air.

Mumin Shakirov: That is, mercury is not found in the urine of a child?

Elena Gavrilova: In no case! When we invite independent experts, and this is quite expensive, then everyone finds us. And immediately the question is: who benefits? That's what the prosecutor's office is for. Although I tried for a very long time to get an answer: why was the sanitary zone reduced at the Torbeevsky training ground? The Torbeevsky training ground was pushed between the villages that have been standing since the 19th century. And the sanitary zone was lowered only for it to take some form of legality, from 500 meters to 30.

Evgeny Vashchenko: And is it possible, according to the law? There is also a regulation - 500 meters. And if the landfill is of the 1st-4th hazard class, then in general there should be a kilometer.

Mumin Shakirov: I have seen garbage being thrown out far before the landfill begins. And, as I understand it, no one is particularly struggling with this, because there is more and more garbage.

Elena, what is the "garbage mafia"?

Elena Gavrilova: People are interested in making it work. The administration of the Lyubertsy district wanted to reassure us. The deputy head of the administration said: "You will not have a garbage dump, you will have a waste incineration plant." To which we said "heartfelt thanks". Because our sanitary zones are not maintained even for a landfill, and a waste incineration plant is generally nonsense.

Mumin Shakirov: Speaking about specific actors, the Alexei Navalny Anti-Corruption Foundation published data: a 15-year contract for garbage collection in Moscow districts went to the firm of the youngest son of Prosecutor General Yuri Chaika, Igor. In other words, FBK was looking into who the companies that won tenders in Moscow for almost 50 billion rubles over the past few years are connected with. Who else among the strong players controls the removal and recycling of waste in Moscow and the Moscow region?

Pavel Stepanets: Now, as I understand it, groups of great interests are colliding. Some interested parties are interested in lobbying these plants, while others are interested in continuing the "gray" garbage collection. Who will win, I don't know. If only people had something to breathe.

Elena Gavrilova: If only the law was observed a little bit.

Pavel Stepanets: And from the new I learned that there is not a single guilty person in this matter - neither among the inspection bodies, nor among the workers of the unfortunate landfills, and so on. Not a single person has been prosecuted.

Mumin Shakirov: It is written on the website "OUR City of Zheleznodorozhny" that after the story of the closing of the landfill came out, after several days of searching, correspondents established the owner of the landfill. His name is associated with the Balashikha organized criminal group. "The Neapolitan mafia also makes money on garbage - why is Balashikha worse? A source from law enforcement agencies claims that the name of the secret owner of the Seychelles offshore is Alexander Solomatin. Alexander Borisovich Solomatin is also on the lists of former owners of CJSC Zagotovitel - a nominal management company. " Do you know this name?

Pavel Stepanets: There are a lot of names out there. But the problem, I think, lies elsewhere. The crazy money that was earned there is the task of the state to return it and invest in a civilized, high-tech infrastructure. This task of the current agenda is the most urgent.

Mumin Shakirov: Eugene said that now it is necessary to pour soil and clay ...

Pavel Stepanets: This is an operational solution.

Evgeny Vashchenko: Of course, it is necessary to pump out the gas from the landfill.

Mumin Shakirov: How is gas pumped out?

Evgeny Vashchenko: Pipes are inserted into the body of the landfill, with a special installation on top. The gas from the surface of the landfill is immediately flared.

Mumin Shakirov: Pavel, you showed me how this huge mountain emits a disgusting color and smell of a liquid - a filtrate. All this goes along the streams to the canals. Where does the filtrate go? This is a poisonous substance that can poison humanity.

Pavel Stepanets: So far, I have not seen the results of the examination of these cases. To start solving the problem, we need the expertise of not local laboratories, but state institutions that will give their expert opinions on what to do. Today, in the working map, this issue is being discussed with great creaking. And today the filtrate flows into the river and into people's wells. But there should be at least a minimum infrastructure for its collection, reducing toxicity. And when the filtrate flows and poisons everything around, this is damage for hundreds of years.

Mumin Shakirov: Pavel, you are saying the right things, but you were not allowed to go to the training ground. You are a member of the working group at the Public Chamber. But you have zero influence. How will you work, how will you resist, how will you control this process if you do not have administrative resources?

Pavel Stepanets: Yesterday I got in touch with the laboratory of Moscow State University, I want to invite experts to the working group to present their research proposals. And we will involve them in this. Because the question is much deeper than it seems now.

Mumin Shakirov: You will bring in the experts, and the doors will be slammed on them, and what will you do?

Pavel Stepanets: We will act through the press or something else...

Mumin Shakirov: Eugene, what can be done when we see that the power of Paul's influence is minimal?

Evgeny Vashchenko: Experts cannot go through the main entrance, but you can walk around.

Elena Gavrilova: This would be somewhat illegal.

Pavel Stepanets: This is not about the main entrance, but about the objectivity of research.

Evgeny Vashchenko: But if they are not allowed there, please, Pekhorka flows nearby ...

Pavel Stepanets: They are not allowed to the reclamation project.

Evgeny Vashchenko: Naturally! Other people are interested who will be paid money.

Mumin Shakirov: In general, the picture is pessimistic ...

Elena Gavrilova: But I don’t understand why it’s impossible to take money from each landfill where municipal solid waste is now stored for reclamation and save it to the state budget. Why can't experts be involved in this. I understand that this is a financial issue. But this is the health of our children, our nation. Still, you can not think about your own pocket ...

Mumin Shakirov: You also say the right things, but it's still more like beautiful words, but in life everything is different.

When I drove through Balashikha on Saturday, I had guides who told me that the city of Balashikha is the area of ​​responsibility of law enforcement agencies, including the FSB. There are special kindergartens for FSB officers, there are residential areas, microdistricts where FSB agents live. There are also military camps where Chekists live and work. I wondered: why are the Chekists silent? You could also attract them - they live there, they smell it. Why is there no movement here?

Elena Gavrilova: Here, perhaps, pressure from above is included.

Evgeny Vashchenko: If the FSB officer starts saying something, he will lose his job.

Mumin Shakirov: I spoke with a young lady, the daughter of an FSB colonel. I asked: "Why can't your dad, having such a resource, influence the situation?" To which she said: "He is not allowed. The FSB cannot lead protests, because he cannot "shine", he cannot speak loudly about it - this is not allowed by his official position, the oath."

Elena Gavrilova: The law on the police says that the police cannot participate in the organization of rallies.

Mumin Shakirov: Well, if they can't do it publicly, they can do it incognito.

Elena Gavrilova: This needs to be addressed at the state level. It is necessary to build waste processing and incineration plants, but in compliance with the standards that should be, in compliance with the sanitary zone. If the Kuchinskaya and Torbeevskaya landfills were 20 kilometers from the settlements, we would not have a problem now.

Mumin Shakirov: How many meters from the nearest house to the landfill in Torbeevo?

Elena Gavrilova: 40 meters. Plus, the wall - allegedly recultivated part of the Torbeevsky landfill, it is almost above the road. We are waiting for mudflows, landslides.

Mumin Shakirov: Are you trying, just like the residents of Balashikha, to close the landfill in Torbeevo? Or do you want to limit the import of garbage?

Elena Gavrilova: We don't want garbage to be added. The Torbeevsky landfill should work from 6 am to 10 pm - at least we are trying to do this. But the goal is, of course, to close. Because there are no hygiene standards. There are a lot of violations of the law.

Mumin Shakirov: Are you waiting for the next TV show with the President so that you can get through to him?

Elena Gavrilova: No, we are not waiting. We are trying to somehow influence our authorities, the local prosecutor's office. I understand that we are like ponies running in circles: the Prosecutor General's Office, the Moscow Region Prosecutor's Office, the Luberetsk Prosecutor's Office, the President, Vorobyov, Ruzhitsky ... We write to all authorities, to all television broadcasts, we use social networks. We are trying to attract the public to the maximum, to raise this problem.

Mumin Shakirov: I would like to read out some data that the head of Greenpeace Russia, Dmitry Artamonov, cited: “If you burn 100 kilograms of garbage, you will get 30 kilograms of ash. It is more toxic and dangerous than garbage, because it contains dioxins, heavy metals, products of combustion. This ash must be stored in special landfills, it must be completely avoided from contact with soil, with water - this is what is called a hazardous waste landfill. In fact, they will not do this, of course." That is, this method will not be used.

Pavel, what is the most important thing in the process of reclamation of the landfill in Torbeevo? What should you pay attention to?

Elena Gavrilova: You spoke about the reclamation of the landfill in Torbeevo, but this is Kuchino, and we are not recultivating yet.

Pavel Stepanets: I believe that it is necessary to remove the local regulatory bodies that make projects, laboratories, and so on. Let the specialized fundamental institutions make a qualitative analysis, and approach this with their own level of question. And there should be public control in these moments. Then maybe something will work. And in parallel with this - mandatory prosecutorial supervision. After all, the problem is that everyone is scattered: the Ministry of Ecology, the prosecutor's office, and so on. And when the federal minister is specifically responsible for this issue, then, perhaps, we will see this ashes. If we monitor garbage, and we understand that we have collected so many million tons in a year, then we must have so many tons of ash. And we have to see it and control it. But without a modern waste management system, we will not build anything, I am convinced.

Mumin Shakirov: In this story, the main character is still Russian President Vladimir Putin. He closed this landfill by a strong-willed decision. Has he become even more of a positive hero, a magician, in the eyes of the population? Or do people understand that this is just a PR campaign?

Elena Gavrilova: All landfills, unfortunately, cannot be closed across the country by a strong-willed decision. And for the residents of even the Balashikha district, closing one landfill, and leaving the Torbeev one, which is no less problematic, six kilometers away from it, is some kind of half-hearted decision, in my opinion. Although I am happy for the residents of Balashikha that they managed to achieve something. And God forbid that not only from above they knocked - and our officials began to stir.

Mumin Shakirov: At a rally on Saturday, activist Anatoly Batashev sang odes to the head of state: "Well done president! He closed the landfill." Is it in such actions that the president adds votes to himself? Or do people perfectly understand that this is a momentary weakness of the head of state - to do good, and this will all end?

Elena Gavrilova: No, this is not a momentary weakness. But, unfortunately, this does not solve the problem in general in the state.

Mumin Shakirov: Do you rally, go to pickets? Is there any civil resistance among the residents of the Torbeevo area? Or are you just limited to letters? Do the authorities allow you to go to pickets?

Elena Gavrilova: She says that she will help us. True, it was a one-time action of assistance. We go out to pickets, we fight ourselves. We have activists almost knocked down by cars. There are videos on the internet. Even the employees who are sitting at the checkpoint, who do not allow access to the landfill, said: "Guys, it's your job to control which cars come with contracts, without contracts." But a car that goes without a previously concluded contract pays after the fact. Well, it's money. We run into finances.

Mumin Shakirov: On the other hand, it must be admitted that the money that this dump earns goes to the budget of Balashikha. That is, the city still earns. Or is it not very big money?

Pavel Stepanets: Minister Kogan said that in our "gray" zone, at best, 80 percent of all waste. Which means it needs to be shared. We cannot talk about transparent schemes here.

Elena Gavrilova: And the managers of the landfills are crying that they have practically nothing to live on, that they have meager incomes. I can tell you about the Torbeevsky training ground. Landfill managers were told at a public meeting that they had a good cash flow. And they say: "What are you talking about! We are poor and unfortunate."

Mumin Shakirov: One of the ideas was voiced at the rally - about sorting household waste. How relevant is this topic? And is it possible in Russia to do the same as abroad? Are people ready for this? You know the psychology of the inhabitants who suffer from the smell, the stench.

Evgeny Vashchenko: At first, it may seem to people that it is very difficult to have three bags for sorting garbage at home. But all this will become a habit - people will start sorting. And they will get the idea that there will not be a large pile of garbage near their house, they will not feel an ominous stench. It's all quite real. It is necessary to build waste processing plants, and this is also quite realistic.

Mumin Shakirov: Is it necessary to carry out propaganda work in this direction? Or just put three tanks on the street - and people will already throw ...

Pavel Stepanets: It seems to me that the task of the Ministry of Ecology is to develop a program for subsidies, for monetary incentives for people. For example, for a 5-liter bottle with batteries, they will receive 100 rubles. elemental minimum. Environmental damage can be calculated from a 5 liter bottle of batteries. And 100 rubles, conditionally, will solve all issues.

Evgeny Vashchenko: In Soviet times, we collected glass bottles.

Pavel Stepanets: But the state program should be comprehensive. And waste management. Today, technology allows everything to be taken into account. GPS sensors on garbage trucks, at all stages of processing. And today we will sort the garbage with our hands - it's a shame to look at it.

Mumin Shakirov: But garbage makes huge money. Can the population earn something from this?

Pavel Stepanets: This will have a long-term effect when the population starts saving on their health, when they stop dying from oncology, or at least fewer people die.

Mumin Shakirov: Previously, they accepted containers, handed over bottles. If the family is drinking, then they handed over the container in boxes. I lived in the hostel of VGIK, we took out the containers in bags. And it was a decent addition to the scholarship. Now I don't see this picture.

And what are the most dangerous products that upset the ecological balance that we throw in the trash can?

Evgeny Vashchenko: Bulbs, thermometers, batteries. They do not need to be thrown away, but must be taken to special points.

Pavel Stepanets: And what about heavy packages. If the state introduces an excise tax on hard-to-recycle packaging, and gives some preferences to manufacturers on ecological packaging, things will go uphill. Well, it is impossible to focus all this within the framework of the regional ministry. There should be an order from the Academy of Sciences for this. And then there will be structural work for many years. Only in this case there will be some success.

Mumin Shakirov: And what about Andrei Vorobyov, the governor, who has ruled the Moscow region for more than two or three years, what is the attitude? The mayor of Balashikha left quietly, without scandal. Is Andrei Vorobyov interested in improving the environmental situation? Or does he have "his own" people, those rules of the game that he observes: it is necessary to please the interests of business, the interests of the "garbage mafia"? Who does he work for, in your opinion?

Pavel Stepanets: I think that in some electoral cycle he is interested, of course, in well-being. But the Moscow Region is a complex region. And the problem is very acute. Therefore, here his political wisdom, perhaps, will give us something. We rely on him, there is no other governor.

Elena Gavrilova: And a heavy legacy, in my opinion, came from Tyazhlov. After all, our landfill was legalized, let's say, in the 93rd year.

Mumin Shakirov: Eugene, you are one of the organizers of the rally on Saturday. About a million people live in Balashikha. 150 people who came are nothing.

Evgeny Vashchenko: Unfortunately, the majority of citizens are "Children of War" and residents of Torbeevo. For some reason, from Kuchino, Zheleznodorozhny ...

Mumin Shakirov: And what does it mean - "Children of War"?

Evgeny Vashchenko: There is such an organization, it includes grandparents. And there were more of them at the rally. We invited them to come and support us.

And the residents of Kuchino are now thinking: "The landfill is closed, we have achieved this, nothing more needs to be done." But at the landfill, everything rots, organic matter rots.

Mumin Shakirov: That is, earlier, more people came to rallies - not 150 people, but 155?

Evgeny Vashchenko: When there was a meeting with TV channels, there were 300-350 people.

Mumin Shakirov: 300 - for a city with a million inhabitants, where is the catastrophic ecological situation?!

Evgeny Vashchenko: We will not compare. Balashikha - by itself, and the city of Zheleznodorozhny - by itself. In Balashikha they don't smell anything. Savvino is away from this problem.

Pavel Stepanets: I disagree with you, she is at the epicenter of the problem. Garbage heaps cascaded around the city. And in the Savvinsky district, in general, there was a spontaneous garbage heap for many years. We are now talking about the fact that the cascade of garbage heaps bypasses the city, the entire urban agglomeration, including settlements that are a little bit far away. And today, as I understand it, city officials are busy with the trash can, pushing each other, pushing away from him. A very difficult situation.

Mumin Shakirov: Elena, do 100 people also come to your protests, rallies?

Elena Gavrilova: We have many more people. But we haven't solved the problem yet.

Evgeny Vashchenko: Your landfill will be closed - it will be the same as ours. My activists handed out 8 thousand leaflets - invitations to the landfill. Near the electric trains they handed out, glued ads. Well, very few people showed up.

Mumin Shakirov: Do you have any explanation why few people come to the shares?

Pavel Stepanets: People are busy with their work. Let's say the garbage dump came close to the houses. Then the residents leave. And when she is somewhere far away, no one understands anything. Of course, this is a personal responsibility. And we have nowhere to go. We are not going to go anywhere, we must work to resolve these issues, go there, be present, lead the officials by the hand: “Decide this, but do this,” and demand from them.

Elena Gavrilova: Unfortunately, none of the officials is answering my phone number.

Mumin Shakirov: It has been 10 days since the landfill in Kuchino was closed. Has the environment improved a bit?

Pavel Stepanets: The ecological situation in the city is so difficult that this landfill is the icing on the cake. Asphalt plant, waste incineration plants and so on. And spontaneous, archaic garbage dumps around add... We now learn from the media more about what kind of garbage dump we all live in. I don’t know what will happen next, but today’s garbage dumps are already too much for the city.

Mumin Shakirov: I spent the whole day in Balashikha. In some areas there is an unbearable smell. People, children run, the market works... And how people live - of course, it's hard for me to understand.

Residents of the urban district of Lyubertsy are actively fighting against becoming the "garbage capital of the Moscow region." On Sunday, according to the correspondent RIA "New Day", a rally was held near the local house of culture for the closure of the Torbeevo landfill and against the urban planning policy of the Moscow Region authorities.

As the representative of the initiative group explained, a resident of the village of Kraskovo Natalya Malinovskaya, the protest began after local residents learned two weeks ago that a new landfill was planned to be opened next to their homes on an area of ​​100 hectares. In response, the local administration, taught by the bitter experience of Balashikha near Moscow, promptly made concessions and promised not to open a new landfill.

“This is a positive movement, this is the very dialogue that should take place between society and the authorities. But the problem is that in silence, without warning anyone, the administration has been coordinating the landfill for a whole month - this is unacceptable,” Malinovskaya emphasized.

Her son, a student of the local school Yegor, also spoke at the rally. “I found out that neither the director, nor the administration, nor the general government is against the creation (of a landfill). I am still a child and do not have the right to choose, adults do it for me. How can I trust those adults who were ready to poison my life and yours?” - said the student.

One of the organizers of the rally, the first secretary of the Lyubertsy branch of the Communist Party Vasily Byzov in his speech, he drew attention to the fact that only after the fire of “popular discontent” broke out, the authorities went to meet the local residents.

“If you and I had kept silent, this 100-hectare zone near Kraskovo would have remained a waste management zone. Together with an initiative group of residents, we went to the Department of Architecture of the Moscow Region, met with its leader, and expressed all our questions about this project. And only then he assured us that this zone (waste management zone) would be changed to another one. We proposed to make it a recreational area: plant a village, make a park. To this, the head said that it was necessary to see what ownership the land was in, but at least promised that there would be no such (garbage) zone on this site,” Byzov said.

At the same time, he stressed that "only the battle is won, not the battle." “We must keep our ears open so that the authorities do not encroach on the land again,” he urged residents.

At the same time, he expressed doubt that the administration's promises to close the existing Torbeevo test site would actually be realized. “We all know that over the 20 years of the existence of this landfill, it has already been promised several times to close it, but it is still working,” he explained.

“We demand that by the end of 2017, the Torbeev dump should also be closed,” Byzov emphasized.

He noted that it takes time to close any landfill. “I am against the fact that the Kuchinsky training ground (in Balashikha) was closed in 1 day. Where do the garbage trucks go? They were then searched for in our nearby forests,” the deputy noted.

In addition, Byzov urged the authorities to impose a moratorium on the construction of high-rise buildings in the city district, as this will also negatively affect the environmental situation in the area, entail an additional burden on infrastructure and lead to a new transport collapse.

“The project provides for the construction of high-rise housing for 5 million square meters. Is it practically for 200 thousand new residents of the city district? Where will it all go? We demand that a moratorium be introduced on multi-storey construction,” he concluded.

As RIA Novy Den reported earlier, unrest in Lyubertsy began when the load on the local landfill Torbeevo, after the closure of the nearby Kuchino landfill in Balashikha, increased sharply.

According to local residents, garbage began to be taken out to a large area near residential buildings, which was illegally allocated as a waste management zone - without the approval of local residents, as required by law.

Earlier, residents of Lyubertsy published a petition on the Change.org website with an appeal to the Governor of the Moscow Region Andrey Vorobyov, head of the urban district Vladimir Ruzhitsky, as well as the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin and authorized departments with a request to prevent the emergence of a new landfill in the area. For a day, she has already gained more than 2300 signatures.

Recall that the problem of landfills in the Moscow region was revealed after the residents of Balashikha during the “direct line” complained to Putin about the landfill, which is located next to their homes.

On the same day, the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation organized a pre-investigation check on this fact. On June 21, Putin gave Vorobyov a scolding and instructed to close the landfill within a month. On June 22, the Moscow region governor ordered the landfill to be closed as a matter of urgency.

On June 23, Putin instructed the Prosecutor General's Office and Rosprirodnadzor to inspect the organizations that ensure the operation of the landfill.

On June 27 at 9 am, Rosprirodnadzor inspectors arrived at the landfill to seal the facility, install fencing signs around its perimeter and a barrier chain at the entrance to it. On the same day it became known that the head of the city district of Balashikha Evgeny Zhirkov left his position "of his own free will".

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"in the urban district of Lyubertsy, Moscow Region, denied the information that the area of ​​​​the landfill will be expanded three times, and its service life extended until 2025, Arkady Tochnyakov, deputy general director of Enit LLC, told TASS on Thursday.

Earlier, the media, citing Enit's CEO and a source in the Ministry of Ecology and Natural Resources Management of the Moscow Region, reported that the department supported a new project for the operation of the landfill, according to which its area will increase from 8 to 25 hectares, and the service life - until 2025. Twenty-five hectares is the initially planned maximum design area of ​​the landfill, Tochnyakov explained to TASS. “The area remains the same 25 hectares, of which 18.8 hectares are being reclaimed. (Now out of 25 hectares in total - TASS note) we are working on an area of ​​6 hectares, ”he said, noting that the possibility of expanding the landfill area was not discussed even within the company.

According to Tochnyakov, the company really has intentions to develop a new operation project, but the document itself has not yet been prepared and therefore has not been submitted to the regional Ministry of Ecology. “We haven’t done a new project yet, we are working on an old project from around 2010. There, the duration of the landfill is limited to 2019,” he said.

The press service of the Ministry of Ecology of the Moscow Region confirmed to TASS that the landfill is still working according to the old project, reflected in the general regional territorial scheme. “The territorial waste management scheme of the Moscow Region, approved in December 2016, provides for a loading capacity of the landfill of no more than 400 thousand tons per year, the operation of the solid waste landfill until December 31, 2020,” the agency’s interlocutor said.

With the help of a new operation project, the company intended to extend the operation of the landfill until 2021, since only by this time, taking into account the annual burial volume of 370 thousand tons, will it use up the capacity of the landfill in terms of garbage capacity - the design capacity of Torbeevo.

However, due to the increased load on the remaining 15 landfills in the Moscow region, Enith” will be forced to increase the intensity of waste delivery to Torbeevo by the end of the year from 370 thousand tons per year to 400 thousand tons, said the head of the operating company. This will lead to the fact that the company will select the full design capacity of the landfill ahead of time and will be forced to close it faster than planned - in 2020. “Due to the fact that we were forced to increase the capacity of waste acceptance by 10%, we have to work at this rate for a maximum of three years,” the agency’s interlocutor explained.

The administration of the Lyubertsy urban district at the same time intends to stop the landfill in 2019. "All previously reached agreements that the landfill " Torbeevo» will end in 2019 will be observed. The project to extend the work will not be approved, since the landfill does not have the physical ability to contain more garbage, ”Vladimir Ruzhitsky, head of the municipality, told TASS.

According to the information agency TASS

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